Will disks 4x100 fit into a vaz.

gsnake 29-03-2014 21:19

ASDER_K 29-03-2014 21:54

There are castors with alloy wheels, where the parameters of the holes are 4x98, and for cars you need 4x100. Do you think this is possible?
I have studs on the hub. I read that it seems that it is impossible to do this with bolts, but for some reason it is better with studs.

kroilovo leads to the popalov.
greed is one of the most heinous vices.

conclusion. sell these discs. appropriate size buy.
and not skimp on condoms. treatment is more expensive.

gallak 29-03-2014 21:57

It will be bad. In the 90s on the market of the former. In the USSR, a darkness of new and used 4 * 100 disks appeared - many VAZ employees rushed to install them, but the oblique bolt (in this case, the nut (since the pins) quickly broke the disk fit and sometimes the disk broke off at the worst possible moment ...

HARON 29-03-2014 22:04

It is forbidden. On the contrary, wherever it went, but this is not possible.

ASDER_K 29-03-2014 22:29

On the contrary, wherever it went, but this is not possible.

on the contrary, it didn't go anywhere either

HARON 29-03-2014 22:34

ASDER_K 29-03-2014 22:43

quote: Originally posted by HARON:

On the contrary, they put it, but since the vehicle wants it - no. I didn’t come up with it, I’ve seen it on the net many times.

so not from a big mind though. and from great greed ...
in the best case, kroilovo will lead to the replacement of the hub ...

Union_Jack 29-03-2014 23:32

someone recently rubbed in that 98 are suitable instead of 100

HARON 30-03-2014 08:45

quote: Originally posted by Union_Jack:
someone recently rubbed in that 98 are suitable instead of 100

Maybe I got it wrong.

polex 30-03-2014 10:01

quote: sell these discs. appropriate size buy.

you can't say better

HARON 30-03-2014 11:54

If the landing diameter is what you need, I would try.

gsnake 30-03-2014 12:02

I just assume that these two millimeters will go away for tolerances ...

HARON 30-03-2014 12:07

They won't go away, but they should fit. If the central diameter does not match, then there is no point in trying it on - screw it on, and it will beat.

Volga sky 30-03-2014 17:48

quote: Originally posted by gsnake:

where the hole parameters

Holes are only black, and only in space. The rest are holes.

kroilovo leads to the popalov.

I already told him that, he doesn’t believe it.

quote: Originally posted by HARON:

but it should fit.

It will fit, but then, when the nut enters the cone, it will begin to bend the pin towards the center of the cone. There are many holes on the roads ...

HARON 30-03-2014 17:54

quote: Originally posted by Volga sky:

It will fit, but then, when the nut enters the cone, it will begin to bend the pin towards the center of the cone. There are many holes on the roads ...

Well, all the pins will bend a few, they are all the same for stretching, and not for cutting. If the landing gear is identical, I would put it, since there are disks.

Comrade Beria 30-03-2014 18:10

Try to bore in the machine so as not to lose alignment
When unpleasant consequences come, think about post number 2.

gsnake 30-03-2014 18:23

thanks for the advice. I will not do that.

and then another question - if the discs fit on the studs, and the central hole is hefty - is that acceptable?

HARON 30-03-2014 18:27

Acceptable, you need to buy or carve an adapter.

gallak 30-03-2014 18:37

quote: if the discs fit on the studs, and the central hole is hefty - is that acceptable?

This is the situation with the majority of "aftermarket" alloy wheels. Different automakers have different centering diameters, it is expensive to make discs only "for Nissan" or "Toyota", make them with the largest diameter, and offer adapter rings for smaller ones. These adapters are always available in shops / car services selling discs. If you know the manufacturer of your disc, matching rings are easy to find. Their cost is $ 2-3 per piece - cheaper than carving ...

Kir * 31-03-2014 12:48

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 01:28

You can use bolts. Easy and casual. 1 mm on each side about nothing. Pull evenly. But how to pull the disc onto the studs ??

fly. do not forget to write your will in advance and buy wheel bearings ...

Kir * 31-03-2014 01:43

fly ha or not moo ha ha and 3 years everything is OK

Kir * 31-03-2014 01:44

And about wheel bearings - generally nonsense.

Ramil 31-03-2014 07:10

Taz on Nexia - this is no longer beggarly, this is a drug addict delirium

Maksim V 31-03-2014 07:29

And these people teach me how to live ... I never had such a thought - to hammer the wheels with a hammer ...

Pavel_A 31-03-2014 08:00

There were similar discs. They did not fit the basin, so I sawed all 5 pieces with a grinder and handed them over to scrap metal.

About centering rings - nonsense. They will not center anything if tapered nuts or bolts are used.

If you don’t want to lose the wheels, don’t try to put it on.

HARON 31-03-2014 08:09

And there are so many connoisseurs ... And if the Fiat size did not have to be pulled, then with rings in the centering he hit tens of thousands ... Connoisseurs will be even more surprised - these rings can also be made of plastic. And they scare how - and the hub will fall apart, and the will is necessary ...

Pavel_A 31-03-2014 08:26

quote: Originally posted by HARON:

And there are so many experts ... And if you didn't have to pull the Fiat size, then with the rings in the centering ones I hit tens of thousands.

The topic of rings was already discussed here several years ago. There are two types of wheel alignment. By hub and by bolts / studs. It makes no sense to mix these two alignment methods.

Kir * 31-03-2014 11:55

As I remember now. In 94 or 95, my father bought himself a new Omega and gave me a VW Jetta. So I screwed on her alloy wheels from the pelvis. Until 98, she rode them safely without any problems. When I bought my wife a pointer with a bolt pattern 4x100, I remembered that I have a 15th forging in my dacha with good summer tires from an eight. And I remembered that Jetta felt great with the same bolt pattern. I bought good original cone bolts. Screwed it on. This summer will be the 4th that the car will leave on these drives.

PS What is the most important thing in a screwed wheel? That it is well pressed by its inner seating plane against the hub / brake disc.

Makc k-113 31-03-2014 13:15

On a disc with mismatched bolt / stud holes, you can slowly and sadly drive to the place where it will be replaced with a regular one. Riding such a disc as a regular one - well, in principle, Kutlhu does not prohibit. But he doesn’t forbid Russian roulette either - he don’t give a damn about the fun of the two-legged.

HARON 31-03-2014 13:19

Okay, I will offer an option - adapter spacers. From any size to any desired, and studs and bolts ... Well, the takeaway will most likely change and are not humane, but is it an option?

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 13:31

quote: Originally posted by Kir *:

When I bought my wife a pointer with a bolt pattern 4x100, I remembered that I have a 15th forging in my dacha with good summer tires from an eight. And I remembered that Jetta felt great with the same bolt pattern. I bought good original cone bolts. Screwed it on. This summer will be the 4th that the car will leave on these drives.

You have to be so greedy ...

Kir * 31-03-2014 13:31

It's not worth joking with the takeaway. Here, the load is increased on the bearing. And all the factory suspension settings go down the drain. Okay, when there is another 3-5 mm difference in the offset on the disc itself. But the spacer is at least 15-20 mm.

However, on Porshik, I had spacers at the back of 5 centimeters on each side. And rims are 10 inches. and nothing.

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 13:44

quote: Originally posted by Kir *:

What's good to waste? a set of wheels cost fifty dollars. Forged with toyo 888.

that's exactly what I'm talking about ...

Kir * 31-03-2014 13:48

quote: Originally posted by ASDER_K:

that's exactly what I'm talking about ...

Yes, we are Jews

perstkov 31-03-2014 14:13

You can, of course, just buy a tap to fix the thread, and insure your life, a trifle, and relatives will be pleased

Kir * 31-03-2014 14:20

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 14:24

quote: Originally posted by Kir *:

By the way, if we are talking about wills and insurance, I would be more cautious about screwing discs with universal 2nd 3rd drill onto the car. So there this knot is loosened

is it like that?

Kir * 31-03-2014 14:36

quote: Originally posted by ASDER_K:

what kind of rubbish does not happen ...
is it like that?

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 14:52

the most important question - nakera one nada?

Kir * 31-03-2014 15:04

quote: Originally posted by ASDER_K:
the most important question - nakera one nada?

HARON 31-03-2014 15:15

quote: Originally posted by Kir *:
Wow! Yes, only this is handicraft, but there are factory disks of such a plan.
Moreover, if the Japs make them more or less durable, at the very least, China is generally tough.

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 15:18

quote: Originally posted by Kir *:

One drive for different machines. Versatility.

what for?

HARON 31-03-2014 15:38

quote: Originally posted by ASDER_K:

what for?

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 15:46

quote: Originally posted by HARON:

One article instead of three or five.

those. for the convenience of the manufacturer and the seller?
why buy such discs for their convenience?

Kir * 31-03-2014 15:48

quote: Originally posted by HARON:
Isn't there a piece of iron in luminescence?

Well, I did not saw such a disc with a grinder. But I strongly doubt that there is something inside. This will further weaken the structure. Takh though reinforced aluminum monolithic, and inside the plate is not connected with aluminum in any way.

HARON 31-03-2014 15:57

I didn't saw with a grinder either ... But judging by the fact that someone is practicing - the alloy is not homogeneous, there are inserts ... However, at the purchase of recyclable materials there is a separate price list for alloy wheels, they are rented as is.

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 16:07

quote: Originally posted by HARON:

the alloy is not homogeneous, there are inserts ...

I saw more than once broken lines ... there were no irregularities at the break.

HARON 31-03-2014 16:13

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 16:14

quote: Originally posted by HARON:

Why then torment yourself and cut luminium with a grinder, so that you can then get three kopecks in a metal purchase?

I can not know

Kir * 31-03-2014 16:54

quote: Originally posted by HARON:
Why then torment yourself and cut luminium with a grinder, so that you can then get three kopecks in a metal purchase?

Probably, so that the people from the purchase as a whole would not sell them later .. Or maybe the rubber is too lazy to remove during the installation.

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 16:56

quote: Originally posted by Kir *:

Or maybe the rubber is too lazy to remove during the installation.

not laziness, but it costs money ...

HARON 31-03-2014 17:08

quote: Originally posted by ASDER_K:

not laziness, but it costs money ...

Is it really that expensive? Whoever sawed at least once with a grinder will not save on tire fitting.

ASDER_K 31-03-2014 17:18

quote: Originally posted by HARON:

Is it really that expensive? Whoever sawed at least once with a grinder will not save on tire fitting.

as the example of even this topic shows - greed has no limits.

Kir * 31-03-2014 17:28

quote: Originally posted by ASDER_K:

as the example of even this topic shows - greed has no limits.
HARON 31-03-2014 22:30
quote: Originally posted by Makc k-113:
How is it not? 4 * 98 - all VAZs except all-wheel drive. And 4 * 100 - almost all other cars with 13-14 "wheels.
Not single vases. I'm sure Fiat also uses 4/98.

4 is the number of bolt holes.
98 and 100 are the diameter of the circle in mm on which they are located.

If we calculate, the distance between the bolts with a bolt pattern of 4x98 will be 69.3mm, and with a bolt pattern of 4x100 - 70.7mm. That is, the difference is 1.4mm. Errors are everywhere, including the bolt pattern, but the difference is 1.4mm. does not allow the VAZ to ideally install discs with a bolt pattern 4x100. The easiest method is to simply tighten the disc on the usual elongated bolts, or in general only 3 bolts instead of 4. This method is not safe, so it is better to refuse it.

A more popular way to install 4x100 discs on a VAZ is to use eccentric or off-center bolts. These custom bolt kits are readily available online.

The third option is to use studs, for example, from a VAZ 2108 cylinder head, which are screwed into the hubs, and the disk itself is attracted by nuts, for example, from Niva (see also Installing studs). It is also possible to use spacers that you can make yourself. Or buy ready-made ones. It should be borne in mind that the width of the spacer must be at least 20mm., Therefore, the wheel overhang will increase by the same amount. Alternatively, use discs with a short overhang to compensate for the overhang of the spacers. If you have a lathe, you can make 4x100 holes in the disc hub. Thus, it becomes possible to install optionally, disks 4x98 or 4x100.

If the disks are incorrectly installed on a VAZ with a bolt pattern of 4x100, vibrations may appear at speed, and with sudden braking - lethal outcomes, therefore, before installing, first of all think about safety!

By the way, do you know which tires and wheels are suitable for the VAZ 2110?

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What is the drilling on the VAZ-2114: photo and video

Beauty, of course, requires sacrifice, but you shouldn't go beyond the boundaries of healthy logic. When choosing disks for the VAZ-2114, one must be guided not only and not so much by the design of casting or stamping, but also by the dimensions in the first place. Matching the factory fit dimensions to the dimensions of the new rims will guarantee the safe operation of the car.

What is the drilling on the VAZ-2114

One of the main parameters that you should pay attention to when replacing standard disks on a VAZ-2114 car is the size, location and diameters of the mounting holes, PCD, pitch circle diametr, and in a simple way, drilling or bolt pattern.

Razboltovaya on the disk VAZ-2114

Bolt pattern - this characteristic is expressed in two numbers and indicates the distance between the centers of the mounting holes and their number.

Drilling for all VAZ cars (except for the Oka and Niva) - 4x98, four holes, the centers of which are located at a distance of 98 mm from each other.

However, this is a simplified notation for the user. The disc manufacturer is obliged to take into account both the diameter of the hole, their number, the distance between their centers, and the diameter along which the centers of the holes are located. Such a designation would complicate the choice of discs by the user, therefore, knowing the drilling in the format "number of holes / distance between them" is considered sufficient.

A few more parameters of the rim

The drill can be measured by the spare wheel. For all SAMARs, drilling 4 * 98

There are several more parameters that relate to the native rims of the VAZ-2114 - these are the width of the stock disc 5.0J, the offset of the ET45 disc, the diameter of the centering hole at the hub - 58.5.

How to put a 4x100 disk on a VAZ-2114

Most elderly foreign cars are 4x100 drilled. This makes it possible to diversify the choice of disks almost indefinitely. However, it must be borne in mind that a simple installation, without modifications, of 4x100 disks for 4x98 landing will not lead to anything good. The fact is that the tolerance in the manufacture of the disc does not exceed 0.7-1 mm. That is, it is theoretically possible to put on a disc with a 4x100 fit, but this will lead to the fact that only one bolt out of four will sit exactly along the cone. The rest of the mounts simply will not squeeze to the end and, as a result, the disc will sit with a bias, which is almost impossible to check by eye.

Bolt disc 4 * 100

The disc will not adhere to the hub with the mating plane, and this will lead to the fact that it will have a runout.

Systematic runout can not only lead to the fact that a single correctly tightened bolt will quickly loosen, but also to instant wear of the wheel bearing, and the rest of the bolts will loosen by themselves. There is a way out of this situation.

Disc runout leads to rapid wear of the hub bearing

To install a disc with a bolt pattern of 4 * 100, you need to either install a spacer, or install studs with nuts instead of bolts.

A less reliable option is to install bolts with an offset head. Not quite the correct option - installing studs, for example, from the head of the block and nuts from the Niva, but the studs are not designed for torsional force, so the most reliable option would be to install spacers. They can be carved with your own hands, or you can buy them ready-made.

But here, too, you need to take into account several nuances:

The width of the spacer must be at least 20 mm, as this is the only way to ensure proper thread strength.
In this case, the disc offset will increase by the same 20 mm, which must be taken into account when selecting a disc.
In this case, the disc must be selected with a minimum overhang in order to relieve the load from the hub and somehow compensate for the difference in offset.

Using off-center cam bolts

Install wheel spacers

Installing eccentric nut studs

Video about installing spacers to change the drilling on the VAZ-2114

Conclusion

Be careful about replacing disks with non-standard ones and remember that the most killer appearance will never replace safety, especially at high speeds. Happy and safe road for everyone!

In all modifications of the VAZ 2110, the bolt pattern in the factory configuration is 4x98. "Dozens" with stamped wheel disks - diameter R13, as well as cast ones - diameter R14 rolled off the conveyors.

The wheels were fitted with rubber, the dimensions of which are 175/70 R13 or 175/65 R14. However, if the sizes of wheels and tires are relatively clear values, then what a bolt pattern is is a big mystery for many.

Theory

So the number 4 is the number of bolt holes. And the second number is the diameter in mm of the circle in which they are located. It is not so difficult to calculate that the distance at which the bolt is from the bolt, if the bolt pattern is 98, will be 69.3 mm.

This is the same value for all wheels installed on the VAZ 2110. But in foreign cars, most of which have a bolt pattern of 100, one bolt from the other is at a distance of 70.7 mm.

The difference is 1.4 mm, and this will no longer allow you to ideally install discs with a bolt pattern 4x100 on the VAZ 2110.

Installation of disks 4 * 100

Consider several methods used by car dealers to install disks from foreign cars on the VAZ 2110:

Sometimes, holes are drilled in the disc hub on a lathe so that it becomes possible to install the discs that you currently have. A bolt pattern of both 98 and 100 is suitable. And if you need to replace the disk, then this is also not difficult to do. The dimensions of the bolts are standard;
The easiest, but not the best, method is to mount the disc using elongated wheel bolts of the usual diameter. But do not be surprised later that this replacement led to the disc loosening, wheel backlash appears, it is impossible to establish the correct camber and toe, as well as the caster angles;
A popular, relatively safe method is to install standard-size bolts with an eccentric on the VAZ 2110 (it is also possible if the bolt has an offset center). Today online shops offer many sets of such bolts;
Some people use special spacers. But in this case, the wheel overhang will certainly increase by the width of the spacer. For safety, the width must be at least 20 mm. As a compensatory measure, the installation of discs with a small overhang can be;
Spacer mounted on hub Spacers SS20 15mm Spacer kit OZ Racing
The worst way is to mount the disc with not 4, but 3 elongated bolts. What, then, can be the protection of wheels from "flying off", and road users - from death in an accident? Never do that!

If the replacement of the standard VAZ 2110 disks with those with a 4x100 bolt pattern is incorrect, then when picking up speed you will find that the wheel is loose, and with sharp braking it may even fall off, and it is not known how this “adventure” will end.

Camber-convergence

After the replacement of wheel disks has been made, the dimensions and bolt pattern of which differ from those provided for by the VAZ 2110 design, it is necessary to make all the necessary adjustments in order to provide reliable protection for the entire chassis, as well as tires and arches.

Correct mounting angles are required for each front wheel. There are three parameters that need to be set correctly: wheel alignment, caster angles, and camber angles for each wheel.

The rules for setting the parameters of the front wheel are as follows:

Preparing for adjustment

Most often, the camber and convergence of the VAZ 2110 is installed at the service station, but you can do it yourself. First of all, they check if there is any play in the bearings, if the steering is loose. At the same time, they check the diameter and the absence of deformation of the disks, the air pressure in the tires, and the wear of the tread.

Naturally, if a wheel is loose, action needs to be taken, and the one with improper tread wear may need to be replaced. Wheels standing on the ground must be twitched relative to the vertical. If you find any play, ask the assistant to apply the brake and check the play again.

If it disappears, the bearing needs to be replaced. If after that the size of the backlash is not something that has not disappeared, but only slightly decreased, you need to check, repair, and sometimes replace the suspension.

After that hang up the wheel, check the backlash again. It is possible that the backlash has disappeared, but the wheel turns in jerks or just hard, then you need to slightly expand the diameter of the bearing installation site.

If you hear a grinding noise, the bearing needs to be replaced.

Self-adjustment

The first adjustment is to set the caster angles of the steering axis. The second is camber, the third is toe-in.

In this case, the camber angle in the loaded state should be 0 ° 30 '+ - 30'. Toe-in should be within 0 ° 15 '+ - 10' and caster angles - 0 ° 20 '+ - 30'.

Remember that camber and other wheel adjustments are necessary in all cases when you interfere in any way with the operation of the VAZ 2110 front suspension.

Corrosion protection

Everything is important for the reliable operation of the undercarriage: bolt pattern, dimensions of all components, establishing camber / convergence, and even protecting the arches from corrosion. It is the arches that are more susceptible to adverse factors than other parts of the body - from ordinary moisture during rain to reagents on winter roads.

To ensure reliable protection of the arches, it is best to install lockers (fenders) on the VAZ 2110. Such protection will cost significantly less than the subsequent repair of rusted arches. It is important to choose the correct size of the lockers and ensure their tight fit in the area of the arches.

We hope that by completing all the repair work yourself, you will provide your VAZ 2110 with many years of trouble-free service on the road.

Razboltovaya on the disk VAZ-2114

Bolt pattern - this characteristic is expressed in two numbers and indicates the distance between the centers of the mounting holes and their number.

Drilling for all VAZ cars(except for Oka and Niva) - 4x98, four holes whose centers are located at a distance 98 mm apart .

A few more parameters of the rim

The drill can be measured by the spare wheel. For all SAMARs, drilling 4 * 98

There are several more parameters that relate to the native rims of the VAZ-2114 - this is the width of the stock disc 5.0J, disc removal ET45, the diameter of the centering hole on the hub - 58,5 .

How to put a 4x100 disk on a VAZ-2114

Most elderly foreign cars are 4x100 drilled. This makes it possible to diversify the choice of disks almost indefinitely. However, it must be borne in mind that a simple installation, without modifications, of 4x100 disks for 4x98 landing will not lead to anything good. The fact is that the tolerance in the manufacture of the disc does not exceed 0.7-1 mm... That is, it is theoretically possible to put on a disc with a 4x100 fit, but this will lead to the fact that only one bolt out of four will sit exactly along the cone. The rest of the mounts simply will not squeeze to the end and, as a result, the disc will sit with a bias, which is almost impossible to check by eye.

Bolt disc 4 * 100

The disc will not adhere to the hub with the mating plane, and this will lead to the fact that it will have a runout.

Systematic beating can not only lead to the fact that a single correctly tightened bolt will quickly weaken, but also to instant wear of the wheel bearing, and the rest of the bolts will loosen by themselves. There is a way out of this situation.

Disc runout leads to rapid wear of the hub bearing

To install a disc with a bolt pattern of 4 * 100, you need to either install a spacer, or install studs with nuts instead of bolts.

A less reliable option is to install bolts with an offset head. Not quite the right option - installing studs, for example, from the head of the block and nuts from the Niva, but the studs are not designed for torsional force, so the most reliable option would be. They can be carved with your own hands, or you can buy them ready-made.

But here, too, you need to take into account several nuances:

The width of the spacer must be at least 20 mm, as this is the only way to ensure proper thread strength.
In this case, the disc offset will increase by the same 20 mm, which must be taken into account when selecting a disc.
In this case, the disc must be selected with a minimum overhang in order to relieve the load and somehow compensate for the difference in offset.

Video about installing spacers to change the drilling on the VAZ-2114

Conclusion

Be careful about replacing discs with non-standard ones and remember that the most killer appearance will never replace safety especially at high speeds. Happy and safe road for everyone!